Có 3 lens đúng ko bác 18-55, 18-70, 18-105. Về giá cả, 18-55 là nhất rùi, 18-70 và 18-105 same same nhau. Về mặt build, 18-70 là ổn nhất, sau đó là 18-55 và 18-105. Về mặt chất lượng, nói chung same same, kit chỉ đến mức đó mà thôi 😃
Với cá nhân em, tiền mua 18-105 em mua 18-55 và 50f1.8 chất lượng hơn. Còn nếu cần tiện dụng bền bỉ thì em sắm 18-70 😃
As weird as this sounds, im thinking about starting a camera collection. Im not interested in owning everything, just maybe bodies that were special in a certain era.
I am thinking K10d, Fuji S5 Pro, Minolta 7d or maybe an A350 to get the 14mp CCD sensor. I get an odd sense of satisfaction using old gear, i like the challenge. What non medium format digital body do you think represents pentax in its prime? Ive owned a K10, K200d, KX, K01, K5. Never used a K7 or K20. I remember the K7 was controversial, people liked its ergonomics but its sensor / AF lagged behind?
For the Pentax brand I am leaning towards a K10 or K5iis. I think sony will fill my CCD obsession. I have lens adapters, but except for pancake primes, i really cant stand how it unbalances the body. I am not after best IQ, just the Pentax user experience.
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The K10D because its old enough to be thought of as collectable and the sensor is good in good light and bad in low light seeing as you like a challenge. Second the K-01 just because its so different and people that own them are cool.
kypfer • Senior Member • Posts: 1,077
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As you're asking for a Pentax recommendation, I'd suggest one of the 6mP bodies [I have two *ist's ] to "pad out" your collection ... it can be surprising the results these older bodies can give when used with a little care. If you feel you "need" 'Shake Reduction' the K100D can provide the feature
Good luck
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Buttons252 wrote:As weird as this sounds, im thinking about starting a camera collection. Im not interested in owning everything, just maybe bodies that were special in a certain era.
I am thinking K10d, Fuji S5 Pro, Minolta 7d or maybe an A350 to get the 14mp CCD sensor. I get an odd sense of satisfaction using old gear, i like the challenge. What non medium format digital body do you think represents pentax in its prime? Ive owned a K10, K200d, KX, K01, K5. Never used a K7 or K20. I remember the K7 was controversial, people liked its ergonomics but its sensor / AF lagged behind?
For the Pentax brand I am leaning towards a K10 or K5iis. I think sony will fill my CCD obsession. I have lens adapters, but except for pancake primes, i really cant stand how it unbalances the body. I am not after best IQ, just the Pentax user experience.
The K5iis is the one that is unquestionably a classic. The K10 was an experiment with a larger body style that was quickly abandoned after the K20, but I believe it represented the last of the CCD models. The K7 was the start of the newer body style but stuck with the sensor of the K20, the K5 series should be better in every way. Not sure how AF compared in the lineup, my recollection is that it improved ever so slightly with every new model - never enough to make everybody jump up and say "they finally nailed it!"
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Jon Schick • Veteran Member • Posts: 5,308
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K5iiS was a great camera. Lovely image quality, great handling and by that time a very mature iteration of the body that started live with the K-7. Otherwise, K10d if you want the special look from a CCD.
Outside Pentax, look for a cheap Olympus E-1. Glorious colour from the Kodak CCD [all 5MP of it] and the Zuiko 43 zooms [esp the 11-22 and 14-54] pair with it very nicely. As the 43 dSLR system has been abandoned now, once expensive kit can sometimes be found at very reasonable prices.
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OP Buttons252 • Senior Member • Posts: 1,649
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K5iis is on my list because i dislike AA filters Ive never handled or looked at IST, but i really like the K10d and i see them used around $75 really frequently.
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1. Buttons252 wrote: K5iis is on my list because i dislike AA filters Ive never handled or looked at IST, but i really like the K10d and i see them used around $75 really frequently.
For an often overlooked but brilliant last-of-the-CCD's cameras, the Pentax K200D is truly a classic as it was a mid range version that fixed many of the problems of the K20D. The K10D was a failed experiment using a third party image processor, the K20D and K7 Samsung sensors had a lot of shadow noise limiting high ISO use, and I think Pentax would just as soon put these models behind them, but models from the K5 forward are each brilliant in their niche starting the incremental improvements leading to the current models.
Regards, GordonBGood
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Buttons252 wrote:As weird as this sounds, im thinking about starting a camera collection. Im not interested in owning everything, just maybe bodies that were special in a certain era.
I am thinking K10d, Fuji S5 Pro, Minolta 7d or maybe an A350 to get the 14mp CCD sensor. I get an odd sense of satisfaction using old gear, i like the challenge. What non medium format digital body do you think represents pentax in its prime? Ive owned a K10, K200d, KX, K01, K5. Never used a K7 or K20. I remember the K7 was controversial, people liked its ergonomics but its sensor / AF lagged behind?
For the Pentax brand I am leaning towards a K10 or K5iis. I think sony will fill my CCD obsession. I have lens adapters, but except for pancake primes, i really cant stand how it unbalances the body. I am not after best IQ, just the Pentax user experience.
The K10D is where Pentax claimed the patch of ground where it still homesteads today. It defined the brand going forward, so it's definitely a classic. I still have mine and last I checked it still works like new.
The K-5 or K-5 II represents Pentax at its height of success, with the sensor that seemed to capture the perfect balance of tradeoffs in a way that nothing else since has quite pulled off. So it's also a classic... but not the way the K10D is.
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Buttons252 wrote:As weird as this sounds, im thinking about starting a camera collection. Im not interested in owning everything, just maybe bodies that were special in a certain era.
I am thinking K10d, Fuji S5 Pro, Minolta 7d or maybe an A350 to get the 14mp CCD sensor. I get an odd sense of satisfaction using old gear, i like the challenge. What non medium format digital body do you think represents pentax in its prime? Ive owned a K10, K200d, KX, K01, K5. Never used a K7 or K20. I remember the K7 was controversial, people liked its ergonomics but its sensor / AF lagged behind?
For the Pentax brand I am leaning towards a K10 or K5iis. I think sony will fill my CCD obsession. I have lens adapters, but except for pancake primes, i really cant stand how it unbalances the body. I am not after best IQ, just the Pentax user experience.
How about a Pentax Q?
It's old.
It can be a challenge to shoot to pull out the most.
It is not medium format. Not even close! LOL.
Pentax at its prime? For some, it might be considered that.
And it is a BSI-CMOS sensor.
With an adapter it can take K-mount lenses.
Take care & Happy Shooting!
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xmeda • Senior Member • Posts: 2,122
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K20D samsung sensor is a bit special.
K5 was extremely successful camera which ruled dynamic range charts and hi-iso charts for some years.
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Sjak • Veteran Member • Posts: 7,625
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I entered Pentax 2 years ago with a K100D that was given to me. Beginning of this year, I got a K10D at the local store.
The CCD-sensor have something special in colour rendering, of course totally subjective but [in daylight] I find it easy to get attractive colour images with these cameras.
The K100D is smaller and lighter, and uses AA-batteries, which can be an advantage or disadvantage depending on how you look at it. I think it's an advantage, one less dedicated battery&charger format to keep track of. Lens compatibility is less than on later models incl K10D. Howver, the brutal simplicity of the K100D is maybe also a strength, no overkill of menu's, options or settings to confuse you. I really like this camera.
However, except for the size [it's a big heavy camera] I prefer almost everything about the K10D vs the K100D. It's built like it could document and survive WW III. I got mine, incl. battery grip, for 100 euro. Money well spent. This fall, I also got an IR-converted K10D.
My next Pentax will be [probably] a K70, KP or K1, or if I get a bonus, a 645 [D or Z]. But I'm not in a rush
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Buttons252 wrote:As weird as this sounds, im thinking about starting a camera collection. Im not interested in owning everything, just maybe bodies that were special in a certain era.
I am thinking K10d, Fuji S5 Pro, Minolta 7d or maybe an A350 to get the 14mp CCD sensor. I get an odd sense of satisfaction using old gear, i like the challenge. What non medium format digital body do you think represents pentax in its prime? Ive owned a K10, K200d, KX, K01, K5. Never used a K7 or K20. I remember the K7 was controversial, people liked its ergonomics but its sensor / AF lagged behind?
For the Pentax brand I am leaning towards a K10 or K5iis. I think sony will fill my CCD obsession. I have lens adapters, but except for pancake primes, i really cant stand how it unbalances the body. I am not after best IQ, just the Pentax user experience.
A bold way of putting it, but I have been doing something like that for some time -- check my gear list. My criteria in regard to Olympus DSLR and Pentax was keeping the cameras I grew especially fond of. In regard to Pentax I started with the K20d and so never owned a K10d. I had the K7, didn't like it and gave it to my son. I loved the K5 but after getting the K5iis, gave the K5 to my son. I've considered getting another K5 from time to time. I have the K3 and K3ii and love them both. I have the K-70 but worry about the aperture block problem; so nowadays I used the KP almost exclusively when I want to use a Pentax APS-C camera. I bought the K1 and then had it upgraded to a K1ii. I considered getting a used K1 but by that time I was accumulating Nikon DSLR gear.
In regard to Olympus, I have the E1 [CCD sensor], E-500 [CCD Sensor], E-420, E-600, E-3, E5, Epm2, OMD-EM1 and OMD-EM5ii.
In regard to Nikon I have the D200 [CCD sensor], D300, D300s, D500, D700, D610, Df and D800e
Storage and preservation has kept me from accumulating more. I have a bag for each camera and some silicon packs to put in each bag. I've marked the camera identity on each bag, but I've nearly reached the limit of the cameras I want. One needs to remove the batteries or make sure they are charged from time to time.
With Olympus I have some entry-level cameras, but with Pentax and Nikon I avoided those except for the K-70 . . . oh and the K-S1 which I acquired with the idea of using it when I want to go light, but I've got lighter gear in the Olympus mirrorless line and so haven't considered using the K-S1 in some time. The KP has been light enough for me.
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I've had a period of recovery after an operation and have been ploughing through my photo files, editing, deleting and annotating, so I've manage to reassess the files from the three Pentax DSLRs I've owned, K20, K5 and now KP. All are capable cameras creating very good usable files. Apart from the resolution, the main difference I can see is the increase of dynamic range with the more recent cameras.
Now there is nothing that wrong with the K20 but I never took to it, neither its looks nor it's handling but the K5 I have to say is one of the best handling cameras I've ever owned and the most handsome of the three. As for the KP, the function/setting dial is a great addition, leading to a major improvement in terms of handling and the files are excellent but it's not as good looking as the K5. I could quite easily have the flash removed from the KP and replaced with GPS or something and the removable grips replaced with a large fixed one to accommodate larger batteries. So my vote would be for the Pentax K5/5ii.
And for a compact, the Ricoh Caplio GX100 or 200. I had the former and coveted the latter but bought the K20 instead.
BryantP • Regular Member • Posts: 427
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GordonBGood wrote:1. Buttons252 wrote: K5iis is on my list because i dislike AA filters Ive never handled or looked at IST, but i really like the K10d and i see them used around $75 really frequently.For an often overlooked but brilliant last-of-the-CCD's cameras, the Pentax K200D is truly a classic as it was a mid range version that fixed many of the problems of the K20D. The K10D was a failed experiment using a third party image processor, the K20D and K7 Samsung sensors had a lot of shadow noise limiting high ISO use, and I think Pentax would just as soon put these models behind them, but models from the K5 forward are each brilliant in their niche starting the incremental improvements leading to the current models.
Regards, GordonBGood
Regarding the K10D, aside from the K20D & the K7 which used Samsung sensors, all Pentax digital slrs are thought to have Sony sensors. The K10D as Pentax's first "semi-pro" camera is generally regarded as being a very successful camera.
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Belgarchi • Senior Member • Posts: 2,761
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Buttons252 wrote:As weird as this sounds, im thinking about starting a camera collection. Im not interested in owning everything, just maybe bodies that were special in a certain era.
I am thinking K10d, Fuji S5 Pro, Minolta 7d or maybe an A350 to get the 14mp CCD sensor. I get an odd sense of satisfaction using old gear, i like the challenge. What non medium format digital body do you think represents pentax in its prime? Ive owned a K10, K200d, KX, K01, K5. Never used a K7 or K20. I remember the K7 was controversial, people liked its ergonomics but its sensor / AF lagged behind?
For the Pentax brand I am leaning towards a K10 or K5iis. I think sony will fill my CCD obsession. I have lens adapters, but except for pancake primes, i really cant stand how it unbalances the body. I am not after best IQ, just the Pentax user experience.
The Pentax K10D was an incredibly good camera for its time. Built like a tank, could do everything you could think of, and it produces images that nobody today could guess they are 'only' 10MP.
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jf_tea • Senior Member • Posts: 1,578
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Buttons252 wrote: [...] I remember the K7 was controversial, people liked its ergonomics but its sensor / AF lagged behind?
The sensor of the K7 is noisier than the one in the K5/K5IIs/K50/...
But, in good light its colours are great.
If you find a K7 at a good price, you could consider it. OTOH, if you find a K5 at a good price, it's an even better find
I would avoid the non-flagship K30, K50, ... as the K5 has great body/ergnomics and it is very sturdy.
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In reply to BryantP • Dec 21, 2019
BryantP wrote:GordonBGood wrote: For an often overlooked but brilliant last-of-the-CCD's cameras, the Pentax K200D is truly a classic as it was a mid range version that fixed many of the problems of the K20D. The K10D was a failed experiment using a third party image processor...Regarding the K10D, aside from the K20D & the K7 which used Samsung sensors, all Pentax digital slrs are thought to have Sony sensors. The K10D as Pentax's first "semi-pro" camera is generally regarded as being a very successful camera.
The K10D was a brilliantly designed camera with as good a CCD sensor as available [the same one as the K200D] let down by pattern noise introduced by the third party [since defunct] image processing engine that limited usefulness of images of over about ISO 200 as to "banding noise" in the shadows. If one doesn't "push" the camera as to this limit as by using high saturation and/or high contrast processing which de-emphasize the shadows, it can produce fine images within the limits of the 10 MP sensor.
The redesigned custom image processing engine 9f the K200D doesn't have the pattern noise limits and one can get very acceptable image quality up to ISO 400 or 800 [although with some automatic noise reduction averaging for the latter] without using high saturation/high contrast.
Regards, GordonBGood
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GordonBGood wrote: For an often overlooked but brilliant last-of-the-CCD's cameras, the Pentax K200D is truly a classic ....
I let my K-5 original go and kept the k200d and an 18-50re as my foul weather kit. Quiet focus, loud shutter, great colors, no video. I have micro4/3 for video and updated features, so the k200d fits a special slot that will complement not compete.
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BryantP • Regular Member • Posts: 427
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Interesting, I did not know about the processor issue. I do recall the "banding" issue. The 1st K10D I had did have severe banding and was quickly exchanged for another one that didn't have a noticeable issue with banding, although it was pretty much useless above ISO 400. In good light up to ISO 200 mine was fine.